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Adress book "All Moscow 1911"

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Date: Saturday, 2008-01-26, 2:47 PM | Message # 1

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If Your ancestry lived in Moscow in 1911 it is possible to find them in that book. You are welcom!

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Date: Tuesday, 2008-02-05, 3:59 AM | Message # 2

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Kira wrote:
"Could you see into your books if you find informations about KALITOWICZ family. I think that certains lived in Moscou ...Best regards, Kira"
Yes, I have found one:

Also I can translate it to You:

"Kalitovich Frants Stepanovich, nobleman, an engineer-technologist, lives on 85, Novoslobodskaya street, mechanical traction srevice of Moscow-Brest railway."

It means he (may be) graduated of Moscow High Imperial college (the same as my grand-pa graduated).
If You want I can check if he really studied here.

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Date: Tuesday, 2008-02-05, 6:45 AM | Message # 3

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Thanks Natalya,
It's alway a real pleasure to read you..
Thanks, thanks and best regards Natalya, Kira

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Date: Monday, 2009-07-06, 11:57 AM | Message # 4

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Hello to all forum members;

I make some researches about my grandfather and who is from Turkey. He had a bakery shop or bakery shops in Moscow before Tsarist Russia but I don't know the date. I researched some inhabitans lists but I can't find his name. Perhaps as he was foreiner he wasn't written to these records or his house was rented. That's why is there anyone who can send me bakery shop listings of Moscow before Tsarist Russia. My mail address is okanatakcan@yahoo.com
Note: He worked there in a partnerships that why different names can be seem.

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Date: Monday, 2009-07-06, 10:54 PM | Message # 5

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bakery shop listings of Moscow

Do You know that Adress-book "All Moscow" was published in Russian?
And all list of Moscow bakery shops (trade) for 1 year is a few pages (few Mb!). Plus there are a few pages of bakery workshops.... wacko

If You write here Your grandfather name I hope to help You.
"All Moscow" books also consist the list of citizen....

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Date: Tuesday, 2009-07-07, 3:31 AM | Message # 6

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At first thanks to you for your interest. Yes, I know the records are in Russian. His name is Sherif (Serif) Gulap (Gulab) or Gulab(p)zade Sherif.
You can see the writing type of his name
Bakery shop in Suwalki: http://www.freewebs.com/ailetarihimiz/Istanbul%20Pastanesi.jpg

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Date: Wednesday, 2009-07-08, 4:50 AM | Message # 7

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Sherif (Serif) Gulap (Gulab) or Gulab(p)zade Sherif.

In Russian: Гулаб, Гулап, Гюлаб, Гюлап - Шериф - Сериф.

There is no any person with names Gulap, Gulab or Gulab(p)zade or Sherif or Serif in this volume (1911).
There is no bakery-shop or bakehouse owner with names Gulap, Gulab or Gulab(p)zade or Sherif or Serif in this volume (1911).

There is no any person with names Gulap, Gulab or Gulab(p)zade or Sherif or Serif in "All Moscow-1913".
There is no bakery-shop or bakehouse owner with names Gulap, Gulab or Gulab(p)zade or Sherif or Serif in "All Moscow-1913".

There is no any person with names Gulap, Gulab or Gulab(p)zade or Sherif or Serif in "All Moscow-1916".
There is no bakery-shop or bakehouse owner with names Gulap, Gulab or Gulab(p)zade or Sherif or Serif in "All Moscow-1916".

There is no any person with names Gulap, Gulab or Gulab(p)zade or Sherif or Serif in "All Moscow-1901".
There is no bakery-shop or bakehouse owner with names Gulap, Gulab or Gulab(p)zade or Sherif or Serif in "All Moscow-1901".

There is no any person with names Gulap, Gulab or Gulab(p)zade or Sherif or Serif in the book "All Russia -1902". But there are only big factories and trade houses here. There is very interesting book named "Questionary book of Klyachkin 1901" where are almost every small bakery shops and other shops owners, but except Moscow and SPb . I have no this book at home, but next week I can look it in the library.

May be You know smthng more about Mr. Gulab's life in Moscow - addres or friends, relatives?

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Date: Wednesday, 2009-07-08, 9:02 AM | Message # 8

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1) I thank to you again for your efforts. As lots of person had gone to Russia from our city before communism term in order to work bakery shops at Russia's different cities, these people and my family are one of my research issues. That's why I found lots of record at other archives and I notice that there are some writing differencies of names and surnames at these records. One of these records are interested with these records that I think it can be interested with my grandfather :
"24331 Шерф _ _ Алфавитный указатель жителей Москвы, 1916"
(source: http://www.otvet.ru/surname/moscowfind.asp?N=24320&asksur=)
2) Unfortunately we don't have any information about my grandfather's address. He has worked there with his relatives Hussein Gulab, Rıfat Gulab and Mithat Gulab. But he can work with a family whose surname is "Reyhan" at Moscow in a partnership. These bakery shops name should be Gulap Patisserie.
3) I don't know which cities "Questionary book of Klyachkin 1901" include ? My grandfather had also bakery shops in Suwalki and Minsk (except Moscow and St. Petersburg).
I wish success at your future researches.

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Date: Wednesday, 2009-07-08, 10:57 AM | Message # 9

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"Reyhan"

I couldn't find any person with this name (I saw:Рейхан, Рихан, Рийхан, Рейан) in All Moscow-1916.
There is no ШЕРФ in bakery list.
This ШЕРФ, that You found in All Moscow-1916 - see attachment - were Germany people and sale textile.

I work in different archives and I can look Your ancestry but I need a little more information:
What religion they were?
There mane religion (confession and others) book in Moscow archive.
When they begin to live in Moscow?
Maybe their children went to Moscow gymnasium?

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which cities "Questionary book of Klyachkin 1901" include ?

All (the smallest also) cities in Russia in 1901.

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Date: Wednesday, 2010-06-09, 8:07 PM | Message # 10

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My grandfather who is muslim has built a big house in 1881 at our village with moneys that earnt in Russia. That's why from 1881s until communism term he should be in Moscow. Bu we can't say you a certain year interested with Moscow because as I said before he has gone different cities and opened bakery shops at different dates. Indeed there is no information that his children went to Moscow gmnasium. Finally, I would like to signify that my grandfather was married with a woman at 1900's whose first name (we don't know her maiden name) is Ludwig(k)a (she should be Polish or German- after that she took the name of Havva Gulap). But this woman has lived in Russian Suwalki but there is no information that she has lived in Moscow. The all informations that I can give you is like that. Thanks.

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Dear Madam Natalya;

A time before, you have mentioned from this book: "Questionary book of Klyachkin 1901". One of my friend will come to Moscow in order to find some informations about his family. If you can say the book name (cyrillic version), he can benefit from this book more easily. If you can give me the internet site or address of the library that he will be able to finf this book, I will very happy. Thanks.